The only change needed is the ability to (wardec?) kill people like me that live in NPC land.


Maybe link it to rookie chat or SP or some such.


Other than that the War system is perfect.

If someone leaves a corp under wardec, the war should follow them for 1 week, or until the war ends.

because I have a long list of NPC corp people I want to murder and in this sandbox I might want to rub sand in their eyes.

but your question begs the follow up question of "why let griefers force their play style on poor highsec miners?"

if opting out of pew pew is easily allowed why not just get rid of war all together?

its not like its used to settle disputes, promote religion, or to steal oil.

Highsec players that are ignorant of tools that low, null and WH players have used for years should ask themselves first how to utilize existing game mechanics to protect themselves rather than asking for CCP to change the game to cater to their wants.

I argue that making highsec safer discourages social interaction, because there's nothing to force people to work together to accomplish a goal. If your little ten man corp can operate with total autonomy and in complete safety, why would you ever interact with anyone else in highsec, except to participate in the economy?

You want to be safer with existing game mechanics? You should start by learning them first and then educating other players. Use locator agents, watchlists, form an intel channel. Don't have enough players to fight back or form an op to move corp or personal assets? Well then talk to your neighbors and form an alliance. Use scouts, cloaky alts, or corp spies. Marmite disseminates wardec and important information via mailing list- maybe you should try to get this information. Fight back. Many wardec corps are notoriously risk averse, and faced with something they can't deal with, will dock up and log off.

Firstly it's not my game or your game, it's CCPs game, and they've designed it so that you can never operate in total safety anywhere in EVE, and have stated clearly that it is a fundamental design choice that they've made with this game, and it won't change.

Fourth, if you think that danger leads to risk averstion, you should look to the most dangerous systems in EVE before you make such a statement. Systems like GE-8JV are buzzing because they're dangerous, and the danger, the ships that are blown up, the excitement and opportunity, all of it, it attracts people and makes them come together, either as friends or enemies.

Wardecs are a part of this game, and they'll continue to be in some form or another. You are always going to be subject to pvp as long as you play EVE. It's a core part of this game. Instead of making it an opportunity you try your hardest, and lie, misinform, and exaggerate in an attempt to convince everyone that this issue, which is merely an inconvinience at the absolute worst, is somehow ruining the game. If the devs ever listened to people like you (thankfully they don't) this game would die, and it would be your fault.

Not really. It makes wardecs more or less useless.

This is the point of the game. You are suppose to compete with others for power and resources and protect your means of production from the bad intentions of others.

People who buy their stuff from Jita pay the industrialist for it. The game is designed so that the industrialist is suppose to use some of that ISK to pay for the protection of their means of production, either through weapons, or by hiring mercenaries to do it for them. Some of that ISK you earned and covet so much is suppose to be spent of defense of your operation, and flow back to mercenaries (in part through the wardec mechanic).

What is not suppose to happen as many carebears seem to think, is for them to sit risk-free in highsec, hiding under the free protection of CONCORD and other game mechanics, amassing ISK and spending none of it on their own defense.

Eve needs both explosions and industry, but you don't get to cut yourself off from everybody else just because you want to "play your own game". Grow a backbone, or team up with someone who has and play the game as it was designed.

They are and you know it, we all know it. If you want to hit a rivals assets then your better off just ganking them.

And the people who won't return fire, who won't play during the war...
They either belong in an NPC corp, or not playing EVE at all.

Hence why I say they are useless, they are so easy to avoid and you can do it without spending a penny.

They shouldn't be in player corps to start with if they don't want to play with others.

There already is a place for them, that place is NPC corps.

PvP does not just belong in low and null. EVE is a PvP game, and PvP belongs everywhere. That includes highsec.

If people don't want to deal with wars, then they belong in NPC corps. Simple as that.

People dont put strategic assets in corps that stick around for war decs.

Lets say GIA find out the corp that supplies NC. with their ships in a deployment zone. We cant wardec it as they would just skip to another corp the moment the war dec lands and continue as normal. This is why war decs are useless.

It's not "my playstyle", it's the bar for player corps.

People playing games with the corp creation mechanics is not the intended gameplay, it's as simple as that.

So we should be forced to play the game the way they want?

See, that sorry argument works both ways. Outside of a few specific purposes war decs arnt worth the isk you spend on them. People are forever complaining about us ganking ships for no profit but we are not being given any other options here.

So why should people be able to avoid having their assets like this?

Please find me a dev quote saying that playing leapfrog with corp creation mechanics is the intended method to get rid of wardecs.

Because from having read the dev blog, it sure looks like the intended method is the surrender mechanic.

Which would make dec dodging a textbook exploit.

No, what we are asking for is for a broken mechanic to be fixed. For a meaningless mechanic to be given meaning.

If closing an exploit nerfs the "whole HS population", that's their fault for using the exploit instead of playing the game correctly.

Consensual PvP sure isn't part of that meaning, no matter what carebears tell themselves to justify their risk aversion.

Well, that shows what you know about it.
It's nowhere close to ten years old. Do you even bother learning about what you're talking about, or just spew carebear talking points?

I live in highsec to enforce the risk vs. reward design of the game. It is my raison d'etre. Risk is suppose to exist everywhere in New Eden including highsec and I enjoy providing it. Why? Sandbox.

This is really off-topic now so in an attempt to get this back on topic: Tora's suggestion is an interesting one I support, but wardecs are too easily dodged now to the point where they have failed to reach the goal of supporting vibrant highsec PvP and nurturing the profession of "mercenary" envisioned by the game designers (as described in the dev blog). But the current system of increased cost for the wardeccing of larger corps seems punitive to smaller corps. Do see any issue changing it as Tora proposes?

Thats not a special case, a special case is two corps going to war willingly with each other for "gudfights".

What I am asking for is some sort of level playing field

Attacking other peoples assets however is not a small subset.

As it stands war decs heavily favor the defender.

I think that wardecs have not lived up to the design intent of the dev blog. Making dec-dodging an exploit again (like it was for the most of the history of Eve), and changing the fee structure as Tora suggested would improve things.

The result is not the same.

One is actually doing something, putting some effort into the game. The other is pushing a button and getting free safety so you can suck roids and farm red crosses in the same place.

One is dynamic, one is laziness and stagnation made manifest.

It is not subjective to say that mining is not engaging gameplay.

As a reasoning, thinking human being, yes, it is.

It can either be legitimately defined as engaging, or it can't.

Mining does not fit that definition.

It is not engaging gameplay. It does not require you to actually do anything, make any decisions, it is bar none the lowest form of gameplay possible in EVE besides ship spinning.

Wars are currently not harder to avoid than before - if anything they are easier, and there are other ways to avoid them than staying in a NPC corp in contrast that was stated above. There has been a clear failure in implementing their intent and this should be fixed by changes to the wardec mechanic like those proposed in this thread.